Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

03/15/2005 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HCR 4 METH WATCH PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+= HB 94 ELECTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 94(STA) Out of Committee
+ SB 36 ABSENTEE BALLOTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 114 TERM. PARENTAL RTS/CINA/DELINQUENCY CASES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
*+ HB 152 STATE INFO SYSTEM PLAN: LEGISLATURE TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
SB  36-ABSENTEE BALLOTS                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:51:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  announced that  the last order  of business  was CS                                                               
FOR  SENATE  BILL  NO.  36(JUD), "An  Act  relating  to  absentee                                                               
ballots."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:51:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GENE THERRIAULT, Alaska  State Legislature, as sponsor of                                                               
SB 36,  stated that  the bill would  require all  absentee ballot                                                               
requests be delivered  directly to the Division  of Elections for                                                               
confidential  processing.   He explained  that  [during the  2004                                                               
general  election]  those  people   who  had  requested  absentee                                                               
ballots were directed  to mail their absentee ballots  back to an                                                               
address belonging  to one of the  political parties.  He  said it                                                               
was unclear whether  there was any kind of  wrongdoing, but "when                                                               
you  have this  situation  where an  individual party  interjects                                                               
itself  in that  flow of  information between  the voter  and the                                                               
Division of  Elections, there is  the possibility  of shenanigans                                                               
to take place."  The  proposed legislation would clarify that the                                                               
application sent out  is one that is approved by  the director of                                                               
the  Division   of  Elections,  which   would  ensure   that  the                                                               
application only  requests information that is  required by state                                                               
law, as well as allow the  director to ensure that the right type                                                               
of paper  is being used.   The bill  would also clarify  that the                                                               
voter shall  submit the application  directly to the  Division of                                                               
Elections.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:53:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT directed attention to  Sections 4 and 5, which                                                               
deal with penalties for any  recurrence of the activity that took                                                               
place during the  last election.  He noted that  in Section 2, at                                                               
the request  of the  director of the  Division of  Elections, the                                                               
amount of time [before the  election] that the ballot request has                                                               
to be  in to  the division was  changed from 7  days to  10 days.                                                               
Section  3 specifies  the regulations  that would  be adopted  to                                                               
implement bill.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:55:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  directed attention to page  2, line 19,                                                               
and asked for the definition of "personal information".                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:55:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT suggested that the  director may know if there                                                               
is a  definition within the  entire section of  statute; however,                                                               
he  said  the  personal  information requested  on  the  absentee                                                               
ballot is:   date of  birth, social security number,  and "things                                                               
of  that nature."    He said  the  intent was  that  all of  that                                                               
information  is  somehow  concealed  when  the  voter's  absentee                                                               
information is run through the mail.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:55:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG responded  that  he understands  that's                                                               
the  intent  of  the  sponsor;  however, he  said  he  hopes  the                                                               
legislative history  is clear, and  the regulations  would define                                                               
what is meant by personal information.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:56:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THERRIAULT  replied,  "If  they  don't  already  have  a                                                               
definition that  would fulfill that,  or a general  definition of                                                               
applicability by  the court system that  fulfills that currently,                                                               
they certainly would have the regulatory authority to do that."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said that's sufficient.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:56:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  offered  an example  whereby  a  student                                                               
government at  a high school  is sponsoring a  voter registration                                                               
drive to  encourage 18-year-olds  to register.   She asked  if it                                                               
would  be a  violation for  the  student government  to take  the                                                               
completed applications and return them to the division en masse.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:57:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT said he thinks  it would probably be allowable                                                               
if those  applications were  "dropped off and  then put  right in                                                               
the mail  box."   Conversely, if the  applications were  held for                                                               
any length  that may  allow for the  gleaning of  information, he                                                               
said that  would be  disallowed.  In  general, he  clarified, the                                                               
intent  is  that no  outside  person  would  have access  to  the                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:58:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER stated that she  agrees with the thrust of                                                               
the  bill.   She directed  attention  to [page  2], lines  22-23,                                                               
which  specify that  "the form  is to  be returned  by the  voter                                                               
directly to  the division,  and not  to another  person providing                                                               
the form".  She said that  language would preclude such things as                                                               
student government from [collecting the information].                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:58:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said he thinks  all schools have  an outgoing                                                               
mail basket in which the applications could easily placed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER   responded,  "Right,  but   the  student                                                               
government people who are running  the table couldn't say, 'We'll                                                               
take it and we'll mail it for you,' under this bill."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  surmised that  the most  direct route  to the                                                               
mail  system is  the best,  but he  added that  he would  have no                                                               
problem  with   a  student  being   directed  to  drop   off  the                                                               
application at the front office after lunch, for example.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER indicated  that if a teenager  is asked to                                                               
do that, "it goes into the abyss."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  deferred further  comment to the  director of                                                               
the Division of Elections.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:59:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAURA  GLAISER, Director,  Division of  Elections, Office  of the                                                               
Lieutenant  Governor, pointed  out that  Representative Gardner's                                                               
question relates to voter registration,  while the bill addresses                                                               
changes regarding absentee ballot  by-mail requests.  She offered                                                               
further details.   She said any  delay between the voter  and the                                                               
division  is  stressful and  makes  her  sad, because  there  are                                                               
people  who do  not  get ballots.    She noted  that  in a  voter                                                               
registrar process, the people in  student government have to be a                                                               
registrar,  they   are  responsible  to  state,   and  they  have                                                               
undergone  training.   She  revealed that  there  is no  training                                                               
related to  an absentee by-mail drive,  thus "that responsibility                                                               
is absent."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:01:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  RUEDRICH,  Chair,  Alaskan Republican  Party,  stated  his                                                               
support of SB 36 in its current form.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:01:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:01:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  said he  doesn't  think  it should  be                                                               
illegal if  someone carries the  application to the  post office,                                                               
particularly  regarding  Representative  Gardner's example.    He                                                               
said he thinks the committee  should consider "some accommodation                                                               
for something like that," for ease of collection.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:02:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked Ms. Glaiser  to address the concern previously                                                               
stated  by Representative  Gardner regarding  [page 2,  lines 22-                                                               
23].                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:02:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. GLAISER  noted that  this question was  raised in  the Senate                                                               
Judiciary Standing  Committee, and she offered  her understanding                                                               
that  the Division  of  Elections  is not  "voter  police."   She                                                               
explained that  the division is  not going to hunt  down "someone                                                               
who has done someone a favor  and dropped an application into the                                                               
mail."   She said the  bill would  address what was  a widespread                                                               
problem, which  she indicated  was that  "tens of  thousands" [of                                                               
absentee by-mail applications] went through another source.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:03:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON indicated his agreement.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:03:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  outlined that the possibility  of trouble can                                                               
occur  when an  organized  group  is doing  the  collecting.   He                                                               
offered an example.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:05:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  redirected attention to page  2, line 23.                                                               
She offered an  example of a wife mailing an  application for her                                                               
husband.  She said she thinks the language needs amending.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:05:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THERRIAULT asked  Representative Gardner  if she  thinks                                                               
someone would actually bring a charge against the wife.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:05:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER   indicated  her  concern  is   that  the                                                               
legislature   not  write   legislation   that   may  have   those                                                               
consequences, even if they may be unlikely.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:06:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT stated that he  personally does not think this                                                               
issue is a problem.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:06:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO directed attention to  a sentence on page 1,                                                               
beginning on  line 12, which read:   "The voter shall  submit the                                                           
application  directly to  the division  of elections."   He  said                                                           
that sounds  like the  person has  to walk  into the  division to                                                               
submit the application.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:06:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that SB 36 was heard and held.                                                                           

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